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matrixrefugee ([personal profile] matrixrefugee) wrote2007-05-27 04:30 pm
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"Hellsing" from a Catholic perspective

Since I had a "Hellsing" anime marathon last night and watched the last six episodes back to back to back: I rather prefer the OAV to the manga, since the anime takes such wide departures from the manga, and I'm not sure what to make of the ending of the anime, whether I liked it or not, but I have to admit, I was relieved when a god-moding freak who reminded me of some anNOYing twinkers on the MxO got the belt-down. Whew. Didn't have to listen to him bragging any more.

Now... on to the Catholic perspective I've been putting off:

I know some people in the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Liberty who'd be foaming at the mouth over the Iscariot organization/Section XIII (*some* people: this group is pretty good about being spot-on at sticking up for the Church when someone misportrays it publicly, but once in a great while, they bark up the wrong tree; case in point when someone got after Dick Wolf for an episode of "Law & Order" where a priest was convicted of murdering a drug dealer. I remember seeing that episode and thinking Graham Greene's ghost had helped the scriptwriter, it was such a tight moral conundrum). But it doesn't faze me any more. I'll admit, I found it irksome at first, but I've gotten past that. My main problem with it when it did bother was the fact that I've seen way too many "Vatican assassins"/priests/monks as assassins done very badly. :: Glares in Dan Brown's general direction; considers writing a crossover fanfiction with a cage-match between Father Anderson and Brother Silas, though Anderson would leave Silas alone since the latter is human:: The "Hellsing" universe, anime tropes aside, is so different from ours that it's more like an alternate universe or a paralell universe of some sort, thus the organizational mechanics of actual Catholicism does not apply here. In our world, even if there *was* a freak-hunting organization in the Church, Pope John Paul II would probably have had it disbanded and issued a public apology for all the freaks that had been put out of comission, especially if any of said beings were innocent of any wrong-doing.

However, I find it surprising that a Protestant spook-targeting organization and not a Catholic one would have a vampire or two on the payroll. There's a couple different Catholic saints who supposedly tamed preternatural beasties to work with them: St. David, a 7th century missionary to Wales supposedly tamed a dragon and used to ride on its back on his journeys. St. Wolfgang, a 10th century German bishop, supposedly tamed a devil or a demon and had it help him in his ministry: there are early Rennaissence paintings of him with a demon holding a Mass book, or carrying a big basket as the saint distributes food or clothing to some poor folks. Just my thoughts, nothing more. My experience with a lot of Protestants is that they can tend to be spiritually pragmatic to the point of being a bit rules-lawyerish at times, and that they'd be extremely hesitant about having something wierd working with them, even if it's for the greater good.

Unless my theory is true and Anderson actually *is* a dhampire (ie. part human, part vampire, doesn't have the weakness to daylight or the need to drink blood).

[identity profile] koemiko.livejournal.com 2007-05-28 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
What's your definition of a dhampire?

[identity profile] matrixrefugee.livejournal.com 2007-05-28 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty much going by the semi-traditional definition of one, ie. they're the offspring of a vampire and a mortal woman, though we've yet to see if "Hellsing" vamps can interbreed with mortals. My theory might just get Jossed, but even if it does, I don't mind.

[identity profile] koemiko.livejournal.com 2007-05-28 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. Well, in Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, D COULD be in sunlight, but not for extended periods of time... and he was a dhampire.

And in the Blade movies, Blade had to drink blood often (or take his "medicine"). And he was a dhampire.

By those Universe definitions, dhampires weren't 100% immune to blood or sunlight, despite signifigant resistances to both. But those are different universes and everyone has their own definition of "dhampire" ... which is why I asked you to clarify.

I think the Hellsing dhampire would be interesting since I heard that, according to the manga, only a virgin can become a vampire. I imagine sex would be a little awkward.

[identity profile] matrixrefugee.livejournal.com 2007-05-28 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee, no harm in asking what I was getting at, and it makes for a good discussion (as well as more good ideas for stuff for me to read/watch).

And you're right, "Hellsing" dhampires would be interesting to see, and I'll admit, I've been a leetle hesitant over my theory about Anderson's origins, considering the way the universe rules work, re: how vampires are created.

[identity profile] nightofcydonia.livejournal.com 2007-05-29 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
*stares at Ref's theory* I seriously doubt it but I really wouldn't mind being proved wrong. For some reason it appeals to my very strange sense of humor. Have you checked out 'Trinity Blood' yet? Judging by the comments in this post it'd be right up your ally. The Catholics are the good guys (mostly), there's a lot of psuedo-supernatural stuff (there's a reason for the 'psuedo' which'll become clear when you watch the series). Oh, and there's an android priest (yes, I know it sounds a bit weird, but trust me, it works).
~Weaver

[identity profile] matrixrefugee.livejournal.com 2007-05-29 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it would make for a bit of cosmic irony if Anderson turned out to be partly the same species that he targets. :: Adds "Trinity Blood" to the growing list of reccommendations:: The notion of an android priest reminds me of an old sci-fi short story, "The Quest for St. Aquin", by Anthony Boucher, since it deals with an android that was an expert at theology.

[identity profile] nightofcydonia.livejournal.com 2007-05-31 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That really doesn't sound at all like Tres (the android in question). Without wanting to give too much away, the Church in TB is fairly militant (although nowhere near as loony as Iscariot) and Tres is very much a product of this. He is also awesome.
~Weaver

(Anonymous) 2007-07-04 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
not that it matters or anything but i think you guys would be interested in hearing that im a real vampire and i will answer any ?'s you have and if you dont beleive me than thats your own choice.and dhampire are the offspring of ''vamp'' and ''mortal''.